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Posted on April 26, 2014, 9:05 pm, F spotting F (Dorm). 46 comments. MIT

I saw you... Ok, you are a good singer; we get it, but don't be singing at the top of your lungs wherever you go. There are people who are under stress and need to concentrate, and we don't want to listen to you. If I wanted music I would play my own damn songs, so please SHUT UP. We are trying to feel like this is our home, and I'm sure you are trying the same thing, but we don't go screaming in front of your room in order to feel better here; do we?
So please, STOP IT.

  1. Posted at April 28, 2014, 8:23 pm by M MIT

    I bet this is McCormick hahahaha. When an infrequent male visitor to McCormick hears the same person singing all the time, you know she's singing too much.

  2. Posted at April 29, 2014, 12:45 am by M MIT

    I like hearing people sing...

  3. Posted at April 29, 2014, 1:54 am by M MIT

    I like hearing the absence of cacophonous screeching...

  4. Posted at April 29, 2014, 10:11 am by F MIT

    Posting in an anonymous forum is exactly the passive-aggressive behavior that's not going to solve your problem. Go talk to the person if you really have a problem with her singing.

  5. Posted at April 29, 2014, 1:46 pm by F MIT

    I feel like this entire problem could be solved by some earplugs.

  6. Posted at April 29, 2014, 2:34 pm by F MIT

    I feel like the entire problem of students not showering could be solved by noseplugs.

  7. Posted at April 29, 2014, 5:14 pm by M MIT

    http://northarlington.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/autism_awareness.gif

  8. Posted at April 29, 2014, 7:43 pm by F MIT

    @5 I hope 6 showed you how foolish your proposal is.

  9. Posted at April 30, 2014, 12:55 am by M MIT

    @6 I feel like the entire problem of students not showering could be solved by going to a different college than MIT.

  10. Posted at April 30, 2014, 8:53 pm by F MIT

    I feel like there is a large dick being shoved into my asshole with great force.

  11. Posted at April 30, 2014, 10:36 pm by F MIT

    @10 I feel like that should be a problem on the 8.01x final.

  12. Posted at May 1, 2014, 10:43 am by F

    @10 1

  13. Posted at May 5, 2014, 3:56 pm by F MailMIT

    As someone who goes around singing all the time, I would just like to tell you to suck it up and quit complaining. Unless I come into your room and sing at you and I know you don't particularly enjoy it, then how am I being rude? Maybe I'm under the impression you love my singing. Maybe that's my way of dealing with being under stress, and I'm unaware that bitching at expressive people is yours. If I'm in public, you can't tell me what to do. If I'm in the hallway outside my bedroom, in a place that I also am trying to make feel like home, you can't tell me what to do. You can ask - politely - and I can apologize and try not to be loud at hours when it would be rude of me to do so. But that's only if I feel like it. You can't control my vocal cords and you can't control when, where, or how I use them. Try coming up to me (or whomever it is you are posting about) and telling me that it bothers you. If I like you then I might comply with your request to tone it down. Until then, I look forward to you growing some balls and approaching me in person.

  14. Posted at May 5, 2014, 6:43 pm by M MIT

    @13 If you think you have the right to sing in public and disturb everyone in your vicinity, then I too have the right to sing "Oh will you please shut the fuck up, you're not a good singer at all" to the melody of the national anthem anywhere you go.
    Unless I come into your room and sing at you and I know you don't particularly enjoy it, then how am I being rude? Maybe I'm under the impression you love my singing. Maybe that's my way of dealing with being under stress, and I'm unaware that bitching at expressive people is yours. If I'm in public, you can't tell me what to do. If I'm in the hallway outside my bedroom, in a place that I also am trying to make feel like home, you can't tell me what to do. You can ask - politely - and I can apologize and try not to be loud at hours when it would be rude of me to do so. But that's only if I feel like it. You can't control my vocal cords and you can't control when, where, or how I use them. Try coming up to me (or whomever it is you are posting about) and telling me that it bothers you. If I like you then I might comply with your request to tone it down. Until then, I look forward to you growing some balls and approaching me in person.

  15. Posted at May 5, 2014, 6:59 pm by F MIT

    As someone who goes around not showering for weeks on end, I would just like to tell you to suck it up and quit complaining. Unless I come into your room bringing in my stank and I know you don't particularly enjoy it, then how am I being rude? Maybe I'm under the impression you love my natural odor. Maybe that's my way of dealing with being under stress, and I'm unaware that bitching at expressive people is yours. If I'm in public, you can't tell me what to do. If I'm in the hallway outside my bedroom, in a place that I also am trying to make feel like home, you can't tell me what to do. You can ask - politely - and I can apologize and try not to be smell at hours when it would be rude of me to do so. But that's only if I feel like it. You can't control my body odor and you can't control when, where, or how I use them. Try coming up to me (or whomever it is you are posting about) and telling me that it bothers you. If I like you then I might comply with your request to take a shower. Until then, I look forward to you growing some balls and approaching me in person.

  16. Posted at May 5, 2014, 7:00 pm by F

    @14 you can do whatever you want because I have no right to dictate what you can and cannot do in public. If you were to follow me around and sing to/at me, I could ask you to stop, and you could either do what I ask or not. It may be rude if you decided not to, but hey that's on you. I didn't say OP couldn't be *annoyed*, after all plenty of people do annoying things in public. I was just saying that I don't need to censor my actions just because they might annoy someone, especially if that person hasn't told me it annoys him or her.
    -13

  17. Posted at May 5, 2014, 7:20 pm by F MailMIT

    @13/16

    That is the most inconsiderate, selfish thing I have ever heard. I cannot comprehend how you could possibly think that you are in the right here, and I think that there is something very wrong with how you view and treat other people.

    Speaking as someone who is generally very accepting and open-minded, and who tries not to find fault with people, I can say that one of the few people who I absolutely cannot stand fits OP's description of this person. I'm sure she's a kind person and a good friend, but any possibility of me seeing her that way has been completely overshadowed by how annoying I find her incessant singing. So please, if that is you, take some time to reevaluate how you come off to those around you, because right now, it is not a good impression.

  18. Posted at May 7, 2014, 11:31 am by F

    All that estrogen in McCormick makes chicks go crazy.

    Unrelated to the above observation but related to poster 15: There was once a girl in McCormick who smelled so bad she left stench trails wherever she went. No lie. It was gag-inducing.

  19. Posted at May 7, 2014, 7:34 pm by F MIT

    @13
    So you have the right to do as you please, annoy who you please, but we have to ask you POLITELY to lower your volume?!?! And after we do that, you will decide if you want to stop being an annoying asshole or not.
    You are basically saying that you can be a selfish, arrogant, rude person, but everyone else must respect you and treat you nicely and you MIGHT decide to be nice to us.
    You disgust me.
    Tell me how you would feel if I continuously talk at the top of my lungs whatever comes to mind as I walk down the hallway, which is in front of my bedroom and also in front of yours, and tell me if after days of that you won't feel irritated and as if you can no longer enjoy the time that you spend inside your own room. Oh yeah, by the way let me tell you that your screaming crosses walls and closed doors. So tell me if you wouldn't be irritated by that.
    Going back to my original statement, please SHUT UP!

  20. Posted at May 7, 2014, 7:40 pm by M MIT

    @19 go put the D in her if you want her to stop

    not that it would help, it would make her louder ;)

  21. Posted at May 7, 2014, 8:27 pm by F MIT

    @10 & 20 what does that have anything to do with this conversation? Just because it happens to involve mostly women, it doesn't give you the right to make vulgar, stupid comments.

  22. Posted at May 7, 2014, 8:58 pm by M MIT

    Comment removed by moderator

  23. Posted at May 7, 2014, 9:00 pm by F MIT

    @21 They have the right to say such things, but we also have the right to judge their comments and them (inasmuch as one can judge a person from their comment on a semi-anonymous message board).

  24. Posted at May 7, 2014, 9:02 pm by F MIT

    @22 Ever notice how much that link gets spammed on ISY?

  25. Posted at May 7, 2014, 9:04 pm by M MIT

    twice

  26. Posted at May 7, 2014, 9:34 pm by M MIT

    @24 Sorry if two posts spamming a link are annoying you. 500+ sexist comments are annoying me.

  27. Posted at May 7, 2014, 9:51 pm by F MIT

    @25,26

    Link advertising is link advertising, regardless of the number of times it's been done or the reasons behind it.

    Imagine if every person who visited ISY was allowed to promote a site through linking.

    Do you understand how cluttered this place would get?

    TL;DR - If you want to promote a site, buy an advertisement.

  28. Posted at May 7, 2014, 10:11 pm by M MIT

    @27

    Sexism is sexism, regardless of the number of times it's been done or the reasons behind it.

    Imagine if every person who visited ISY was allowed to promote sexism through commenting.

    Do you understand how cluttered this place would get?

    TL;DR-If you want to promote sexism, buy an advertisement.

  29. Posted at May 7, 2014, 10:29 pm by M MIT

    I posted the link to show examples of sexism on ISY because it was easier than linking to every different sexist post on ISY. Then I would need to post hundreds of links, which is way more annoying and cluttered.

  30. Posted at May 7, 2014, 10:45 pm by F MIT

    @29

    > Sexism is sexism, regardless of the number of times it's been done
    Agree. Previous cases of sexist behavior shouldn't affect judgement on whether the case under scrutiny is sexist.


    > or the reasons behind it.
    Disagree. It's not black-and-white. Discriminating on the basis of sex/gender is more tolerable in some scenarios than others. For instance, if there's a particular field for which one sex is the majority and the other is the minority, policy may be skewed to allow the minority privileged status with the goal of encouraging diversity and/or "correcting" for discrimination toward the minority sex, although this is a subject of much debate.

    > Imagine if every person who visited ISY was allowed to promote sexism through commenting.
    They have the right to make such comments when visiting ISY, but those comments are subject to ISY's ToS and may be moderated accordingly.

    > Do you understand how cluttered this place would get?
    It wouldn't be considered clutter, just discussion. A discussion in which the participants typically have heated opinions, but a discussion nonetheless.

    Link promotion/spam, on the other hand, does not add to a discussion, which is why it is typically disallowed in the ToS of message boards. They could also potentially redirect to malicious sites, which would harm the user, although this is a problem with all links. Some message boards address this by having a whitelist of links, but it takes more effort to maintain.

  31. Posted at May 7, 2014, 10:47 pm by F MIT

    Meant to reference @28 instead of @29 in the above post.

    -- 30

  32. Posted at May 7, 2014, 10:58 pm by F MIT

    @29

    Then why did you post exactly the same link promotion text this time as last time? The message was not tailed for this discussion.

    Also, you make the assumption that such a list of supposedly sexist messages is even relevant or useful to the discussion. That is, why would anyone need to be linked to a website that references 500+ posts on ISY that are supposedly sexist? It's like a bot that posts links to penis enlargement sites on any mention of the word "dick". They're related, but not relevant.

  33. Posted at May 7, 2014, 10:59 pm by M MIT

    I don't think calling out sexism twice counts as spamming. Especially when literally every single day at this school men make comments in real life that make women and other non-cis-straight-white-men feel uncomfortable. To me it sounds more like self preservation against the constant real life spam women put up with.

  34. Posted at May 7, 2014, 10:59 pm by M MIT

    @30 Calling women whores, cunts, etc. and telling them to make sandwiches isn't discussion. It's just misogyny.

  35. Posted at May 7, 2014, 11:21 pm by M MIT

    @32 I posted the link when I saw sexist comments because I wanted to note how often those comments come up on this site and that those comments add up, and it's sickening. My comment was just as relevant to the conversation as the sexist comment, but I'm getting way more crap for calling them out.

  36. Posted at May 8, 2014, 12:01 am by M MIT

    Is it really link spamming if the link is essentially a list of things posted in other areas of this site?

  37. Posted at May 8, 2014, 12:18 am by F MIT

    There are other links in comments that weren't removed. I call conspiracy.

  38. Posted at May 8, 2014, 1:22 am by F MIT

    @34
    > Calling women whores, cunts, etc. and telling them to make sandwiches isn't discussion. It's just misogyny.

    I never said comments like those weren't misogynistic. Hate speech like the examples you've given certainly are misogynistic and sexist, and do not contribute to the discussion. If you see hate speech on ISY, flag the comment and a moderator should remove the post.

    But not all sexist comments constitute hate speech.

    @35
    > I posted the link when I saw sexist comments because I wanted to note how often those comments come up on this site

    The site does more than just that.

    It's a site that displays many posts, some of which are taken from ISY, without any reference to the underlying context and with comments made by the site's creator to which no replies can be given.

    If you wish to reference posts, do it directly, and comment on them yourself instead of referencing comments made by the site's creator.

    > and that those comments add up, and it's sickening.

    State that the number of comments explicitly sickens you next time. If someone asks for examples, reference posts on ISY, and give your interpretation of those posts in their respective contexts.

    > My comment was just as relevant to the conversation as the sexist comment, but I'm getting way more crap for calling them out.

    If you thought that a comment in this thread was sexist, you should address the comment directly and point out why it was sexist, which facilitates discussion. Other supposedly sexist comments are not relevant to the discussion of whether the comment under scrutiny is sexist.

    @36
    > Is it really link spamming if the link is essentially a list of things posted in other areas of this site?

    It's not "essentially" that.

    It's a site that displays many posts, some of which are taken from ISY, without any reference to the underlying context and with comments made by the site's creator to which no replies can be given.

    @37
    > There are other links in comments that weren't removed. I call conspiracy.

    Flag other link promotion posts as spam. You should be aware that a link to a "reaction image" does not constitute link promotion provided the linked site actually has an appropriate image that reflects a reaction, and that the image is the main focus of the linked site (e.g. there should be no popups asking for surveys).

  39. Posted at May 8, 2014, 2:15 am by M MIT

    Pointing out that comments are problematic on ISY doesn't lead to discussion, it just leads to getting called slurs.

  40. Posted at May 8, 2014, 2:21 am by F MIT

    @39
    > Pointing out that comments are problematic on ISY doesn't lead to discussion, it just leads to getting called slurs.

    You won't know whether it leads to discussion unless you try.

    If a post goes so far as to call someone a slur, then flag the post for moderation.

  41. Posted at May 8, 2014, 6:32 am by M MIT

    I have tried.

  42. Posted at May 8, 2014, 9:01 am by F MIT

    @41
    > I have tried.

    Then keep trying.

    Address their use of slurs, saying it doesn't contribute anything to the discussion and that it doesn't constitute a counter-argument.

    Have hope that people are capable of discussing these matters in earnest. They may not be willing to at first, but if they're repeatedly told why their behavior is morally reprehensible and no one else can counter, they will come to either acknowledge it or try to counter-argue themselves.

  43. Posted at May 8, 2014, 10:39 am by F MIT

    No one here should have to be taught that using slurs isn't a counter-argument. People here at MIT should be smart enough to already know that.

  44. Posted at May 8, 2014, 12:37 pm by M MIT

    @22 pwned :)

  45. Posted at May 9, 2014, 6:33 am by F MIT

    I've tagged slurs. They weren't removed.

  46. Posted at May 9, 2014, 11:40 am by M

    So who's all ready for this EPIC party at McCormick tomorrow?
    Sure to not be a sausage fest.